Post by Jeff LPost by PixiePost by Jeff LAnti-depressants aren't "mind altering". The alter the chemical
structure of the body in an attempt to counteract chronic emotional
problems. Your point, thus, is invalid.
let get this straight, you are saying that this drug alters the
chemical structure of your BODY in an attempt to counteract mental
problems (ie the fucking BRAIN) in order to COUNTERACT "chronic
emotional problems" THEY CHEMICALLY ALTER YOU SO YOU THINK AND BEHAVE
DIFFERENTLY.
They do not alter thought processes,
Really? Is that why psychiatrists give psychotic people
antipsychotics? because it doesnt alter their thought processes? what
is it meant to do then?
Post by Jeff Lnor do they alter behavior
processes.
ditto, for the antipsychotics, and what would be the point of giving
someone antidepressants if they still stayed in bed all day too
depressed to get out of bed? they give people these drugs to change
your behaviour. why would they give prozac to someone with a bulimia
if they simply kept puking still? of course its meant to alter your
behaviour. why do they give ritalin to kids with adhd if they still
ran around like nut baskets?
have you ever drank anything alcoholic? were your thought processes
not altered? did you not behave differently?
Post by Jeff LThey alter the chemical structure of your body. Your brain
also alters the chemical structure of your body, and both produces and
reacts to various chemicals.
but you are arguing that it changes the chemicals and not someone's
behaviour. when you add in different chemicals to a system, does it
not change? anyway, you dont ALTER the chemical STRUCTURE of
something, you add in something that alters the neurotransmittors, the
chemical *structure* is not changed.
Post by Jeff LI'm not a neuroscientist, so my understanding may be a bit off. On the
other hand, I'd lay money that you are not a neuroscientist, either.
I am a lot closer than you are, but forgetting who has more scientific
qualifications, which i am sure is no contest, it is common sense.
Psychiatrists give medicine to alter BEHAVIOUR, if medicines did NOT
alter behaviour, why would they give them?
Well, perhaps we could ask Eli Lilly! http://pi.lilly.com/us/prozac.pdf`
whether prozac alters behaviour?
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Black box warning:
WARNING
"Suicidality and Antidepressant Drugs — Antidepressants increased the
risk compared to
placebo of suicidal thinking and behavior (suicidality) in children,
adolescents, and young
adults in short-term studies of major depressive disorder (MDD) and
other psychiatric
disorders."
"All patients being treated with antidepressants for any indication
should be monitored
appropriately and observed closely for clinical worsening,
suicidality, and UNUSUAL CHANGES IN BEHAVIOUR, especially during the
initial few months of a course of drug therapy, or at times
of dose changes, either increases or decreases.
The following symptoms, ANXIETY, AGITATION, PANIC ATTACKS, INSOMNIA,
IRRITABILITY, HOSTILITY,
AGGRESSIVENESS, IMPULSIVITY, AKATHISIA (psychomotor restlessness),
HYPOMANIA, and MANIA, have
BEEN REPORTED in adult and pediatric patients being TREATED with
antidepressants for major
depressive disorder as well as for other INDICATIONS, both psychiatric
and NONPSYCHIATRIC.
"Interference with Cognitive and Motor Performance — Any psychoactive
drug may impair
judgment, thinking, or motor skills, and patients should be cautioned
about operating hazardous
machinery, including automobiles, until they are reasonably certain
that the drug treatment does
not affect them adversely.
Discontinuation of Treatment with Prozac — During marketing of Prozac
and other SSRIs
and SNRIs (serotonin and norepinephrine reuptake inhibitors), there
have been spontaneous
reports of adverse events occurring upon discontinuation of these
drugs, particularly when
abrupt, including the following: dysphoric mood, irritability,
agitation, dizziness, sensory
disturbances (e.g., paresthesias such as electric shock sensations),
anxiety, confusion, headache,
lethargy, emotional lability, insomnia, and hypomania."
SIDE EFFECTS:
"Events are classified within body system categories using the
following definitions: frequent
adverse events are defined as those occurring on one or more occasions
in at least 1/100 patients;
infrequent adverse events are those occurring in 1/100 to 1/1000
patients; rare events are those
occurring in less than 1/1000 patients.
Nervous System — FREQUENT: AGITATION, amnesia, CONFUSION, EMOTIONAL
LIABILITY sleep
disorder; Infrequent: abnormal gait, acute brain syndrome, akathisia,
apathy, ataxia, buccoglossal
syndrome, CNS depression, CNS stimulation, DEPERSONALISATION,
EUPHORIA, HALLUCINATIONS,
HOSTILITY, hyperkinesia, hypertonia, hypesthesia, incoordination,
libido increased, myoclonus,
neuralgia, neuropathy, NEUROSIS, PARANOID REACTION, PERSONALITY
DISORDER2, PSYCHOSIS, vertigo;
Rare: abnormal electroencephalogram, ANTISOCIAL REACTION, circumoral
paresthesia, coma,
DELUSIONS, dysarthria, dystonia, extrapyramidal syndrome, foot drop,
hyperesthesia, neuritis,
paralysis, reflexes decreased, reflexes increased, stupor.
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.... and that is only listing the NERVOUS SYSTEM side effects, perhaps
you would like to peruse the rest yourself.
but of course these are INFREQUENT side effects, in between 1/100 or
1/1000, so lets calculate shall we?
"Today, Prozac, taken by 40 million people worldwide" 40,000,000/100 =
that means between 400,000 and 40,000 EXTRA people are running around
with hallucinations, depersonalisation, hallucinating, hostile,
neurotic and paranoid, with personality disorders, psychosis and
delusions.
That is not to mention those that have the frequent side effects of
AGITATION, CONFUSION, and EMOTIONAL LABILITY in at least 400,000.
However of course, it is not just 1/100 is it?
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well not according to ELi Lilly's papers that were disclosed by CNN
(http://www.cnn.com/2005/HEALTH/01/03/prozac.documents/index.html )
"CNN) -- An internal document purportedly from Eli Lilly and Co. made
public Monday appears to show that the drug maker had data more than
15 years ago showing that patients on its antidepressant Prozac were
far more likely to attempt suicide and show hostility than were
patients on other antidepressants and that the company attempted to
minimize public awareness of the side effects...
....In the paper, titled "Activation and sedation in fluoxetine
clinical trials," the authors said that the drug may produce
nervousness, anxiety, agitation or insomnia in 19 percent of patients,
and sedation in 13 percent of patients."
therefore that changes the calculations to 7,600,000 extra people
running around agitated and confused. I bet NOT ONE of these people
owns a gun now, do they?
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So, there you have it ELi Lily KNEW from clinical trials it made
people more suicidal and hostile compared to others on other
antidepressants.
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HOWEVER, there is ONE THING ELI LILLY DOESNT KNOW Jeff, which YOU HAVE
TO TELL THEM, because YOU ARE THE ONLY ONE THAT KNOWS THIS: you really
must tell them that prozac does NOT in fact ALTER BEHAVIOUR, OR
THOUGHT PROCESSES because for some strange reason, they REALLY THINK
IT DOES! you really must correct them.
Anyway, I hope you enjoyed our little jaunt into the world of prozac
as exposed by Eli Lily which is evidenced by clinical trials and
helped exposed your darling news team CNN.
But you know what? I bet they are ALL SECRET SCIENTOLOGISTS MAKING
THIS ALL UP with my well cited scientific evidence (well, as
scientific as Eli Lilly can manage), perhaps you should blow the
whistle on them, and say they are making this ALL UP just to piss off
people like you.
p.s. I apologise about your lack of scientific education it was not
correct of me to assume that you had one when one started to make
claims about pharmaceuticals.