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Electroshock is a barbaric therapy
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Brittany
2008-06-23 10:52:44 UTC
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Slowly, the people of Ireland are beginning to fight back against
mental health treatment in this country — not only the facilities but
the wildly inaccurate diagnoses and frequently inappropriate, if not
downright dangerous, treatments themselves.

On Wednesday, Dr Michael Corry, a consultant psychiatrist, will bring
his private member’s Bill to the Seanad — hoping to get ECT
(electroshock therapy) banned in this country once and for all, as the
barbaric and useless practice it demonstrably is.

For more go to http://badpsych.com/2008/06/23/electroshock-is-a-barbaric-therapy/
p***@gmail.com
2008-06-23 13:56:35 UTC
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Post by Brittany
Slowly, the people of Ireland are beginning to fight back against
mental health treatment in this country — not only the facilities but
the wildly inaccurate diagnoses and frequently inappropriate, if not
downright dangerous, treatments themselves.
On Wednesday, Dr Michael Corry, a consultant psychiatrist, will bring
his private member’s Bill to the Seanad — hoping to get ECT
(electroshock therapy) banned in this country once and for all, as the
barbaric and useless practice it demonstrably is.
For more go tohttp://badpsych.com/2008/06/23/electroshock-is-a-barbaric-therapy/
Dr. Michael Corry is an idiot. And so seem you. ECT is the last resort
for patients suffering from the worst and deepest depressions.
Forbidding ECT to these patients is like denying surgery to a patient
with appendicitis. Suggesting it is the same therapy as it was 50 or
so years ago is foolish. ECT today is not common practice, and when
used it is with every possible precaution. Ask people who, after
suffering a terrible life of immense deep depressions, are now cured
from it, thanks to ECT. Ask THEM if ECT should stay or not. Banning
ECT is taking away the only solution for many people's sufferings.
And you support that?

Peter

"Leukaemia is evidently psychosomatic in origin and at least eight
cases of leukaemia had been treated successfully by Dianetics after
medicine had traditionally given up. The source of leukaemia has been
reported to be an engram containing the phrase 'It turns my blood to
water.'"
- L. Ron Hubbard, "Journal of Scientology," Issue 15-G, 1953

http://www.scamofscientology.nl
Brittany
2008-06-23 14:42:56 UTC
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Post by Brittany
Slowly, the people of Ireland are beginning to fight back against
mental health treatment in this country — not only the facilities but
the wildly inaccurate diagnoses and frequently inappropriate, if not
downright dangerous, treatments themselves.
On Wednesday, Dr Michael Corry, a consultant psychiatrist, will bring
his private member’s Bill to the Seanad — hoping to get ECT
(electroshock therapy) banned in this country once and for all, as the
barbaric and useless practice it demonstrably is.
For more go tohttp://badpsych.com/2008/06/23/electroshock-is-a-barbaric-therapy/
Dr. Michael Corry is an idiot. And so seem you. ECT is the last resort
for patients suffering from the worst and deepest depressions.
Forbidding ECT to these patients is like denying surgery to a patient
with appendicitis. Suggesting it is the same therapy as it was 50 or
so years ago is foolish. ECT today is not common practice, and when
used it is with every possible precaution. Ask people who, after
suffering a terrible life of immense deep depressions, are now cured
from it, thanks to ECT. Ask THEM if ECT should stay or not. Banning
ECT is taking away the only solution for many people's sufferings.
And you support that?
Peter
"Leukaemia is evidently psychosomatic in origin and at least eight
cases of leukaemia had been treated successfully by Dianetics after
medicine had traditionally given up. The source of leukaemia has been
reported to be an engram containing the phrase 'It turns my blood to
water.'"
- L. Ron Hubbard, "Journal of Scientology," Issue 15-G, 1953
http://www.scamofscientology.nl
Dr Michael Corry is not an idiot. Hes probably been in the practice of
psychiatry much longer than you have. Calling him an idiot just
because you don't approve of ECT being banned (by the way why don't
you have some ECT sessions of yourself and come back with your story)
is just plan ignorant.

You said "Forbidding ECT to these patients is like denying surgery to
a patient
with appendicitis."

What a ridiculous statement you just said. Do you know that psychiatry
openly admits that what they preach isn't exact science? They cant
prove that mental illnesses is caused by the so called chemical
imbalance in the brain. You dare to compare ECT sessions with
appendicitis operations? Thats totally outrageous!

You said ECT today is not common practice. WRONG! where do you get
your information from may I ask? ECT is being used daily and probably
someone is getting ECT as you read this. Psychiatry makes ECT none
violent in the eye of witnesses but it causes damage to the brain.
p***@gmail.com
2008-06-23 16:04:33 UTC
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Post by Brittany
Post by p***@gmail.com
Post by Brittany
Slowly, the people of Ireland are beginning to fight back against
mental health treatment in this country — not only the facilities but
the wildly inaccurate diagnoses and frequently inappropriate, if not
downright dangerous, treatments themselves.
On Wednesday, Dr Michael Corry, a consultant psychiatrist, will bring
his private member’s Bill to the Seanad — hoping to get ECT
(electroshock therapy) banned in this country once and for all, as the
barbaric and useless practice it demonstrably is.
For more go tohttp://badpsych.com/2008/06/23/electroshock-is-a-barbaric-therapy/
Dr. Michael Corry is an idiot. And so seem you. ECT is the last resort
for patients suffering from the worst and deepest depressions.
Forbidding ECT to these patients is like denying surgery to a patient
with appendicitis. Suggesting it is the same therapy as it was 50 or
so years ago is foolish. ECT today is not common practice, and when
used it is with every possible precaution. Ask people who, after
suffering a terrible life of immense deep depressions, are now cured
from it, thanks to ECT. Ask THEM if ECT should stay or not. Banning
ECT is taking away the only solution for many people's sufferings.
And you support that?
Peter
"Leukaemia is evidently psychosomatic in origin and at least eight
cases of leukaemia had been treated successfully by Dianetics after
medicine had traditionally given up. The source of leukaemia has been
reported to be an engram containing the phrase 'It turns my blood to
water.'"
- L. Ron Hubbard, "Journal of Scientology," Issue 15-G, 1953
http://www.scamofscientology.nl
Dr Michael Corry is not an idiot. Hes probably been in the practice of
psychiatry much longer than you have. Calling him an idiot just
because you don't approve of ECT being banned (by the way why don't
you have some ECT sessions of yourself and come back with your story)
is just plan ignorant.
You said "Forbidding ECT to these patients is like denying surgery to
a patient
with appendicitis."
What a ridiculous statement you just said. Do you know that psychiatry
openly admits that what they preach isn't exact science? They cant
prove that mental illnesses is caused by the so called chemical
imbalance in the brain. You dare to compare ECT sessions with
appendicitis operations? Thats totally outrageous!
You said ECT today is not common practice. WRONG! where do you get
your information from may I ask? ECT is being used daily and probably
someone is getting ECT as you read this. Psychiatry makes ECT none
violent in the eye of witnesses but it causes damage to the brain.
So does removing an appendix to the body, yet it benefits from it.
You insist ECT is daily practice in a psychiatric institution. Well,
it is not. It is, as I said before, the last resource when nothing
else can help a patient suffering from severe depressions.
I think Dr. Michael Corry IS an idiot: He want to throw away old shoes
before he has new ones. Because what is the alternative for ECT? Does
he have something to offer to people who benefit from ECT? He is an
idiot because he wants to take away the only possibility that can cure
people with severe depressions.

Peter

"Leukaemia is evidently psychosomatic in origin and at least eight
cases of leukaemia had been treated successfully by Dianetics after
medicine had traditionally given up. The source of leukaemia has been
reported to be an engram containing the phrase 'It turns my blood to
water.'"
- L. Ron Hubbard, "Journal of Scientology," Issue 15-G, 1953

http://www.scamofscientology.nl
Kat
2008-06-23 18:41:36 UTC
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Actually Brit, he said it was "not" common practice, scroll up and re-
read. It's offered as a last possible treatment option for people with
the most debilitating of depression. In the US it is not forced on a
patient, or given without their consent or the consent of their
families. It is done under anesthesia, and there is careful follow up
care. If such things do NOT happen, then the quack should be strung up
on charges.***************


Have you had ECT? You seem to frequently state that unless someone has
had a certain kind of psychiatric care, they have no right to comment.
I asked previously what your experiences are with the psychiatric
system and you did not reply, so I will do so again here. What is your
diagnosis? What treatment options were presented to you and in what
state or country. *************


If you are so anti-psychiatry, then how do you, oh wise omniscient
one, sugguest that people with diagnosed mental illness receive
treatment? No drugs, no psychiatrists, no ect.... are people to just
act like their hallucinations or depression are psychosomatic? That
seems to be what you imply from your posts. That people can just snap
their fingers and make their illness go away. It don't work that way
honey. Some people with only mild symptoms might be able to do that,
to bottle themselves up or overcome their problems with therapy, but
the really really crippling illnesses CAN NOT be treated that way.
These illnesses existed before psychiatry. They are GENETIC. Inherited
through bloodlines over and over and over again till the bloodline
dies off. Sugguesting you can shrug off a genetic, inherited,
biochemical disorder with willpower is like sugguesting you can will
away diabetes.
Theta Works
2008-06-24 04:31:55 UTC
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Post by Brittany
Post by p***@gmail.com
Post by Brittany
Slowly, the people of Ireland are beginning to fight back against
mental health treatment in this country — not only the facilities but
the wildly inaccurate diagnoses and frequently inappropriate, if not
downright dangerous, treatments themselves.
On Wednesday, Dr Michael Corry, a consultant psychiatrist, will bring
his private member’s Bill to the Seanad — hoping to get ECT
(electroshock therapy) banned in this country once and for all, as the
barbaric and useless practice it demonstrably is.
For more go tohttp://badpsych.com/2008/06/23/electroshock-is-a-barbaric-therapy/
Dr. Michael Corry is an idiot. And so seem you. ECT is the last resort
for patients suffering from the worst and deepest depressions.
Forbidding ECT to these patients is like denying surgery to a patient
with appendicitis. Suggesting it is the same therapy as it was 50 or
so years ago is foolish. ECT today is not common practice, and when
used it is with every possible precaution. Ask people who, after
suffering a terrible life of immense deep depressions, are now cured
from it, thanks to ECT. Ask THEM if ECT should stay or not. Banning
ECT is taking away the only solution for many people's sufferings.
And you support that?
Peter
"Leukaemia is evidently psychosomatic in origin and at least eight
cases of leukaemia had been treated successfully by Dianetics after
medicine had traditionally given up. The source of leukaemia has been
reported to be an engram containing the phrase 'It turns my blood to
water.'"
- L. Ron Hubbard, "Journal of Scientology," Issue 15-G, 1953
http://www.scamofscientology.nl
Dr Michael Corry is not an idiot. Hes probably been in the practice of
psychiatry much longer than you have. Calling him an idiot just
because you don't approve of ECT being banned (by the way why don't
you have some ECT sessions of yourself and come back with your story)
is just plan ignorant.
You said "Forbidding ECT to these patients is like denying surgery to
a patient
with appendicitis."
What a ridiculous statement you just said. Do you know that psychiatry
openly admits that what they preach isn't exact science? They cant
prove that mental illnesses is caused by the so called chemical
imbalance in the brain. You dare to compare ECT sessions with
appendicitis operations? Thats totally outrageous!
You said ECT today is not common practice. WRONG! where do you get
your information from may I ask? ECT is being used daily and probably
someone is getting ECT as you read this. Psychiatry makes ECT none
violent in the eye of witnesses but it causes damage to the brain.
So does removing an appendix to the body, yet it benefits from it.
You insist ECT is daily practice in a psychiatric institution. Well,
it is not. It is, as I said before, the last resource when nothing
else can help a patient suffering from severe depressions.
I think Dr. Michael Corry IS an idiot: He want to throw away old shoes
before he has new ones. Because what is the alternative for ECT? Does
he have something to offer to people who benefit from ECT? He is an
idiot because he wants to take away the only possibility that can cure
people with severe depressions.
Peter
"Leukaemia is evidently psychosomatic in origin and at least eight
cases of leukaemia had been treated successfully by Dianetics after
medicine had traditionally given up. The source of leukaemia has been
reported to be an engram containing the phrase 'It turns my blood to
water.'"
- L. Ron Hubbard, "Journal of Scientology," Issue 15-G, 1953
http://www.scamofscientology.nl
And again, thank you :)
Theta Works
2008-06-24 04:31:32 UTC
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Post by Brittany
Slowly, the people of Ireland are beginning to fight back against
mental health treatment in this country — not only the facilities but
the wildly inaccurate diagnoses and frequently inappropriate, if not
downright dangerous, treatments themselves.
On Wednesday, Dr Michael Corry, a consultant psychiatrist, will bring
his private member’s Bill to the Seanad — hoping to get ECT
(electroshock therapy) banned in this country once and for all, as the
barbaric and useless practice it demonstrably is.
For more go tohttp://badpsych.com/2008/06/23/electroshock-is-a-barbaric-therapy/
Dr. Michael Corry is an idiot. And so seem you. ECT is the last resort
for patients suffering from the worst and deepest depressions.
Forbidding ECT to these patients is like denying surgery to a patient
with appendicitis. Suggesting it is the same therapy as it was 50 or
so years ago is foolish. ECT today is not common practice, and when
used it is with every possible precaution. Ask people who, after
suffering a terrible life of immense deep depressions, are now cured
from it, thanks to ECT. Ask THEM if ECT should stay or not. Banning
ECT is taking away the only solution for many people's sufferings.
And you support that?
Peter
"Leukaemia is evidently psychosomatic in origin and at least eight
cases of leukaemia had been treated successfully by Dianetics after
medicine had traditionally given up. The source of leukaemia has been
reported to be an engram containing the phrase 'It turns my blood to
water.'"
- L. Ron Hubbard, "Journal of Scientology," Issue 15-G, 1953
http://www.scamofscientology.nl
Thank you for posting this pearl by L Ron Hubbard.
r***@gmail.com
2008-06-24 07:44:06 UTC
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Seeing you naked is a barbaric therapy.

You lie so much.

Like the time when you said you weren't part of the cult.


Was it a lie?

yep.

enjoy the cult, fruitcake
unknown
2008-06-24 12:45:03 UTC
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Post by Theta Works
Post by p***@gmail.com
"Leukaemia is evidently psychosomatic in origin and at least eight
cases of leukaemia had been treated successfully by Dianetics after
medicine had traditionally given up. The source of leukaemia has been
reported to be an engram containing the phrase 'It turns my blood to
water.'"
- L. Ron Hubbard, "Journal of Scientology," Issue 15-G, 1953
http://www.scamofscientology.nl
Thank you for posting this pearl by L Ron Hubbard.
That pearl from Hubbard sure looks like a claim for physical healing.

On Mon, 23 Jun 2008 21:23:18 -0700, Theta Works <***@uswest.net> wrote
in msg <***@4ax.com>:
<snip>
Post by Theta Works
Please do read the reference and you'll see that it is about claims
for physical healing. Scientology is not in the field of physical
healing, only spiritual betterment. Do you find that that conflicts
somehow with Psychiatry admitting that they can't cure mental illness?
You should do your research a little more, or at least understand what
you refer to.
So which is it, pj? Physical healing or no physical healing?

Or is it a floor wax *and* a dessert topping?

Incident zero: Ron trolled you

Ever yours in fandom,
Jommy Cross

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